in afghanistan we won on the ground and now we will be negotiating with the taliban and instead of in powering the afghani civil society. i could go on for not africa. lou: and judy miller is shaking her head. are you next going to say you endorse negotiating with terrorists? >> i don't, but on the other hand, they are there. lou: they do have that fundamental advantage in the negotiation. >> they are not going home, not waiting for the victory parade. they are there and you must deal with them. lou: or you have to eliminate them. >> or you have to eliminate them. lou: that was our option over two administrations, and we chose not to follow. >> i think it is impossible to eliminate all of them in a democracy like ours. lou: speaking of disasters, your quick reaction, if i may, to the confirmation of chuck hegel. >> it is simple. there is nothing new here. this policy will be the policy of the administration and though he represented better than secretary clinton because he will try to engage the iranian without the iranian people. he will try to see how he can settle the issue in syri